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VEE LAVALLEE's avatar

Hannah has proved that she's right! Just look at Russia. No Russian believes anything Putin says but can't think of a argument against him, because they can no longer think! You can't offer an opinion that's contrary to Putin's or you'll end up in one of his gulags. This is what an American president is doing today in the "land of the free." So, at least the 1/3rd of the country that voted for him and the 1/3rd that sat it out, has already handed him the win. I blame the ones who sat it out instead of voting because he convinced them that they are not to think that they can disobey him. Game set and match. The MAGA MORONS will keep on his good side even though they know eventually he'll turn on them if they slip in the slightest way that they are toast too. If he gets the SCOTUS to take over the appeal and they reverse the decision then justice is a joke without a punchline. If he gets it reversed I bet you he sues Carroll for the 'emotional stress' she caused him. Outside of Orwell's fictional portrayal of a dystopian nightmare, I can't think of anyone who has taken over the collective minds of so many people. All this in less than 2 years. 250 years of proclaiming your democracy is now down the drain. There is going to be a rebellion in the near future I predict that will put the Civil war to shame. It can't come soon enough. Waiting for elections to solve it all is ridiculous and just wasting valuable time instead of organising oppositions to what is definitely coming.

Warren V Wind's avatar

How in the HELL does that FUCKING RAPIST think he can get out of paying E. Jean Carroll the money she deserves!!

To her, the money is secondary, as long as Trump is labeled an Adjudicated RAPIST but the principal of the thing to me is to hurt the Orange Bastard where it HURTS him, in his wallet!

He sure needs to suffer for her to get justice!

What basis would the Supreme Court be able to do such a thing?

He RAPED her well before he was president & she initially got the favorable court decision before then too!

When are these FUCKING ASSHOLES going to get it, they have the job as long as they want it, he can't do shit about anything they rule on.

Plus this case in NO WAY pushes the conservative agenda forward! That's what usually motivates this court!

This will show just how much that the Supreme Court has been compromised by Trump!

I'm not very confident in them but I hope this is one of those rulings that go against Trump!

It hilarious how he is so flip-floppy when it comes to the Supreme Court! The scumbag doesn't know which way is up!

As Always Informative is the Gonzo Report & Agent Zappa!

Thanks Chris!

Tom Carpenter's avatar

Thanks for the short and sweet to get the day started and the blood boiling.

TC

Kevin Alexander's avatar

Take millions off of SSRIs all at once? What could possibly go wrong?

Fred Jonas's avatar

Nothing. The vast, vast, vast majority of them shouldn't be taking them anyway. The only problem is Paxil, which curiously causes a very problematic withdrawal reaction.

As Chris very rightly says, most people wind up taking this stuff because it's easy, and the patient can't afford real treatment ("therapy"), so stopping it is not a problem. Except Paxil. I have never understood the unique withdrawal problem from that medication. And SSRI has no real meaning.

Chris Zappa's avatar

Oh no, that wasn’t my intention *at all* to imply that people who are on anti-depressants don’t need their anti-depressants! Through lived experience, both my own and those I’ve been closest to, sometimes people have absolutely legitimate needs that can only be helped, at the root level, by an anti-depressant or an anti-anxiety drug, or ADHD medication, etc. I’m a staunch proponent of therapy as an accompanying treatment (same for physical activity) but I need to revisit my wording on that story if that’s the impression I gave. Yet another reminder that maybe proofing a written piece at 5am is not the best of ideas.

Fred Jonas's avatar

I completely understood you. You were concerned that people DID need antidepressants, and would have trouble if they stopped them. I'm telling you that the vast majority of people who take psychotropic medications (medications used to treat psychiatric problems) don't need them, and they're prescribed by people who don't know what they're doing, and don't want to do the hard work of psychotherapy, and/or they don't know how. Some people who take antidepressants and other psychotropics need them very much. Most don't. I've been a psychiatrist for about 49 years, and I'm telling you what I know and what I've seen.

Anti-anxiety medications are OK, if they're taken when they're needed, and not often. Anti-ADHD medications are taken variably: some people need them every day, and some only when the concentration task is harder. Antipsychotics and mood stabilizers are variable, depending on the patient's pattern of decompensation.

"Therapy," or psychotherapy, is not usually, at least for me, an "accompanying treatment." It's commonly the main treatment. But I'm old school, I'm not impatient, and I know how to do psychotherapy. I'm what you could loosely call good at it. Look me up on google (Alfred G Jonas MD), and you'll see what is my patients' experience of me.

I have spent considerably more of my career taking people off medications they never needed, or haven't for a long time, than I have putting them on medications.

Fred Jonas's avatar

Three comments: one easy, one very dicey, and one possibly slightly dicey.

1) Not only am I very proudly anti-fascist, but I would like any American who is an advocate of fascism, and in this country, to very clearly identify him- or herself.

2) The princess lost a case brought by Jean Carroll. (And O.J. Simpson won a criminal case brought by the relatives of his wife and her friend.) There was no evidence against the princess -- it was strictly he said-she said -- because Carroll chose there to be no evidence. She waited decades to bring this case, after any possible DNA evidence or bruises were very long gone. Despite one of her close friends advising her AT THE TIME(!) to call police immediately. She contacted her friend for advice, then didn't take it. "Innocent until proven guilty." The princess was never proven guilty. People just didn't like her, the same way some of the African American jurors later said there was no way they were going to find Simpson guilty. You can be sure they didn't say that in prospective juror voir dire during the selection process.

3) Bobby Brainworm is partially right for reasons he would never understand. The two central facts in the American medical industry are a) that we spend far more on it than real countries spend on actual health care, and b) that our results are worse than in almost all developed countries. There's too much wrong diagnosing, too much wrong treating, and treatments too often don't make sense. You mentioned two of them -- Prozac and Zoloft -- and you correctly pointed out that the vast majority of prescriptions for psychotropic medications (medications used to treat psychiatric problems) are written by people who are not psychiatrists. They are written for convenience and out of ignorance, and they very commonly don't solve any problem. Bobby Brainworm is among the worst possible people for this job, but he's too stupid to know it. The American medical industry knows enough to tell me I can't perform surgery on anyone. But it doesn't know enough to tell PCPs, etc, that they can't treat imagined psychiatric problems. And I'm smart enough to figure out for myself in what lane I belong. Non-psychiatrists are not smart enough.